KEN KIRSCHENBAUM, ESQ ALARM - SECURITY INDUSTRY LEGAL EMAIL NEWSLETTER / THE ALARM EXCHANGE You can read all of our articles on our website. Having trouble getting our emails? Change your spam controls and whitelist ken@kirschenbaumesq.com ****************************** More on is UL required / ISC meeting sign-up October 29, 2025 ******************************** Private meetings at ISC EAST *************************** We are getting closer to ISC so if you're attending an want to make the time to meet please reserve an appointment time sooner than later. To arrange a private meeting with K&K and staff at ISC East on November 19 or 20 please contact Kathleen Lampert at 516 747 6700 x 319 or KLampert@Kirschenbaumesq.com or Stacy Spector,Esq at 516 747 6700 x 304 or SSpector@Kirschenbaumesq.com. We are planning half hour appointments between 10:30 and 4:30 on November 19 and 20. If you think you need more time let us know. We look forward to seeing you at ISC; meetings will be outside the hall at the food court area. ****************** Contracts for shop drawings and smarts and parts ****************** Ken We are the building fire alarm contractor and have been with the building owner for 6 years and the Fire All in One is being updated to my new alarm company. The 2nd floor is undergoing a tenant improvement and they have their own engineers that did MEP drawings including fire and we have to submit shop drawings for the fire alarm. The project was awarded to a GC and a EC is sub contracting us for parts and smarts. We purchased all your agreements including the subcontractor agreements (both ways) My Responsibilities: Perform the FA shop drawings (EC is pulling all permits) Provide parts and smarts (devices and programming - we are not installing) Who needs what contracts considering I am working for the EC as a sub? Building Owner: Tenant: GC: EC: Thank you Joseph *********************** Response *********************** You have a lot of relationships here. Sounds like the engineers engaged you to do Shop Drawings. You should have them sign the FIRE ALARM DESIGN AGREEMENT The EC needs the parts and you to program the system once installed. The EC needs to sign the FIRE ALARM PARTS AND SMARTS AGREEMENT. You are technically a subcontractor for the EC but in this case the Smarts and Parts contract is more specific than the Subcontract Agreement. The building owner should sign the Fire All in One with the boxes checked for monitoring, repair service and inspection, assuming you will be performing those services. Having the right contract for the specific service is like having the right tool to get a job done. It's awful hard to knock in a nail with a screw driver. ********************** STANDARD FORM AGREEMENTS: To order up to date Standard Form Alarm / Security / Fire and related Agreements click here: www.alarmcontracts.com *************************** CONCIERGE LAWYER SERVICE PROGRAM FOR THE ALARM INDUSTRY - You can check out the program and sign up here: https://www.kirschenbaumesq.com/page/concierge or contact our Program Coordinator Stacy Spector, Esq at 516 747 6700 x 304. *********************** WEBINARS: https://www.kirschenbaumesq.com/page/alarm-webinars *********************** ALARM ARTICLES: You can always read our Articles on our website at www.kirschenbaumesq.com/page/alarm-articles updated daily ******************** Wondering how much your alarm company is worth? Click here: https://www.kirschenbaumesq.com/page/what-is-my-alarm-company-worth *********************** THE ALARM EXCHANGE - the alarm industries leading classified and business exchange - updated daily ************************* PODCASTS: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ken-kirschenbaum-presents/id1794851477 ************************* Getting on our email list / Articles archived: Many of you are forwarding these emails to friends or asking that others be added to the list. Sign up for our daily newsletter here: Sign Up. ************************** Ken Kirschenbaum,Esq Kirschenbaum & Kirschenbaum PC Attorneys at Law 200 Garden City Plaza Garden City, NY 11530 516 747 6700 x 301 ken@kirschenbaumesq.com www.KirschenbaumEsq.com
