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May 31, 2017
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    I love reading all your info. So informative!  I'm not one to comment but the "key switch" thing is killing me here.
    First off what state and county?  The AHJ is really the one to dictate what must be done but there are still the basic rules to follow.
    The term "grandfathered" means it was installed in accordance with the laws at that time and is still acceptable but if there is significant change in the use of the building or major construction than the system must be brought up to code.  Replacing old equipment for new is usually accepted for repairs as long as the functionality is the same.
    The poster said he was quoting an upgrade. I'm assuming adding, replacing and reusing devices. First off a new control panel must be cross listed with all devices connected, period.  Can't image the non-ul key switches will qualify.  Second what moron decided a silence switch in each apartment was a good idea?  That person, the Salesman, Building Owner, Installer, Inspector and Service person should all be fired.  "The stupid fire alarm is going off just hit the switch and we can go back to bed". Who the heck would sign off on that and sleep at night besides the dead tenants? Also is there a fire warden, Evacuation plan, Fire drills?  The building sounds large enough that these things should to be in place.
    The upgrades suggested are the current code and I can't see how those silence switches could or should stay under any code.
    Probably should add CO detectors too if not already mandated.
Matt Imken
APS Security
    Wow, a whole lot to unpack there.  Here are my thoughts:

    As I close this, another path forward on future projects occurs to me.  Have the Owner invite the AHJ to review the building, if it is not already on their radar, and ask the questions as I have basically outlined above.

    If the Owner will do this, you will have a level playing field moving forward, and you can make a go/no go decision on whether to bid.
    (As a shameless plug, I am always available to help Owners navigate the process for a small fee..... contact info below.)  Hope this helps.
Dave Miller, SET
MCG Design Services
    Your plug is not shameless and anyone who needs fire alarm assistance would be wise to contact you.  Everyone is encouraged to participate on this forum and I know that many appreciate the advice provided.


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