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Comment on protect v detect / Comments on UL certificate for fire
June 10, 2019
Comment on protect v detect from May 27, 2019 article
            Read with interest your previous articles on the difference between the use of the words, detection and protection.  I agreed with your previous opinion and believe we as dealers should not be touting protection, but instead, detection and notification.
            In the above noted phrase where you think it IS OK to use the term protection; I very much disagree and believe the term "detection and notification" would work well.  After all, that is what we are selling and installing.
Ron Riggins
Cops Inc. Security Solutions
Peoria, IL 
            I’ve been mulling this over for a while now.  I initially thought “protection” was acceptable in the context it was used.  After reading your comment I began to second guess myself and considered making the change you suggest, changing the word “protect” to “detection and notification”.  The word “protection” is used once in the Standard Form Agreements in the Warranty section, and then only to state that the system may not provide the protection for which it is installed.
            The suggested change would read that the system may not in all cases provide “detection and notification”.  I am still undecided and I welcome further comment.
            Here is the real dilemma.  What about all the yard signs and decals that read “protected by”?  How about all the websites that use the word “protection”?  
            So here is what I propose, and I’ll wait for a few comments before making the change in the Kirschenbaum Contract ® forms.  I am considering adding this provision in the agreements:  “for purposes of this agreement and all Company promotional material, the word “protection” or any variation thereof, shall mean “detect” or any variation thereof.”
            If you have an opinion, now’s the time to let us know.
Comments on UL certificate for fire from May 29, 2019 article
            I’ve been doing commercial fire alarm here in Florida for many years. So far, we have only come across a single AHJ requiring the UL certificate for fire alarm. In that case, we passed on the job since it wasn’t worth the hassle. It is very rare here in Florida.
Dave Grundy, CEO
Systems Division
            The UL Central Monitoring Station certificate is different from the UL Central Station or Remote Station Certificate.  
            The monitoring station certificate is for the monitoring station.  Does the station meet or exceed the UL and NFPA 72 requires for the off-site monitoring station.
            The UL Central Station Certification is with regards to the NFPA 72 Central Station fire alarm system installation.  The installation and its operations, maintenance, testing, etc. meet the 6 NFPA 72 requirements for a Central Station System including runner service and that the system is contractually under one party to provide all of the 6 requirements.  Some of the requirements can be sub-contracted such as the monitoring.  The monitoring station must be a listed station and is shown on the site specific UL Certificate issued for the specific protected premise.      
David Deutsch,  Sr. System Designer
Bill's Sound & Security
Costa Mesa, CA

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