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comment on grandfathered fire alarms / articles on K&K website / Fire customers who dont want inspection March 20, 2017

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comment on grandfathered fire alarms / articles on K&K website /  Fire customers who dont want inspection
March 20, 2017
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comment on grandfathered fire alarms from March 13, 2017 article
    Regarding Adam’s understanding of the All You Need To Know About Fire Alarms webinar, our understanding and what we have run into is: Let us say a system that is installed in 1979 (a very good year), that system was code compliant AT THAT TIME. In the event there is a needed upgrade such as replacement panel, sensors etc then it would need to be brought up to the current NFPA-72 code. Otherwise, it IS GRANDFATHERED in. This is of course needed to be verified by the AHJ in the area that controls that system.
With regards,
Joseph (Joe) Pfefer, President
Jade Alarm Co.
    Careful making repairs and replacements on an existing fire alarm system.  If the building isn't changed then the fire alarm system is likely grandfathered.  As soon as there is any improvement that requires a permit the fire alarm will need to be brought up to code.  That may entail a new fire alarm system and costly wiring.  The Standard Fire All in One addresses this issue specifically.
    You may need to be careful making repairs on a fire alarm system.  If the panel needs replacing you better check with the AHJ before making that repair or replacement because if you don't and it triggers updating the entire system your subscriber isn't going to be very happy with you, to say the least.  Repairs should not require a permit but a replacement, unless the exact model component, is likely to require AHJ approval.  
articles on K&K website
    We suggest that your website for ALARM ARTICLES be updated more often.  This becomes a good source for newsletter stuff when the formal Newsletter is stopped for any reason.   Note, lots of your readers cannot get the personal Newsletter, but still get all your good stuff via the website.
Lee Jones
    Thanks for bringing this to my attention.  The website will be updated and kept updated so that the articles will be avialable by checking the website at   There is search feature to help you find an article on your topic.
Fire customers who dont want inspection
    We have purchased your fire alarm all in one contract, which answered most of my questions in the fine print. One thing I'm still not clear on - You mentioned that Commercial Fire needs to be inspected. How should we handle a commercial customer that refuses our fire inspections?
Adam S
    Commercial fire alarms throughout the country share a few issues.  They need to be installed pursuant to plans and specifications approved by a governmental agency [building dept or Fire Dept or Fire Marshall], they need to be inspected, repaired so that they are always operational and they need to be monitored.
    One of the salient purposes of using the Standard Fire All in One is that it covers all the services you likely perform, and all the services your subscriber needs.  That's the difference between intrusion and fire systems.  Intrusion is usually optional, perhaps required to get insurance, but you can elect not to have this protection.  Fire alarms are not optional, but required.  The components and on-going services are not optional, but required.  The only issue is who is going to perform these services, you or someone else.
    If you've got the sale and installation, why not try and get the on-going services?  If you're called in for one on-going service, let's say monitoring, why not offer inspection and repair service plans?  The Fire All in One offers all of these services and you should explain to the subscriber that the services are not optional.
    You are not obliged to walk away from a fire subscriber who won't let you do all the on-going services.  You should, however, be leary.  Too many cooks spoil the meal [something like that].  In case of a loss who is going to be blamed?  All of you no doubt, and you may think spreading the blame and the damages is a good idea, but it's not, especially if you're not to blame.  
    Ideally you should demand that you perform all or none of the services.  It doesn't make sense that one company do inspections, another repairs and another monitor.  Sign up these services when the Fire All in One is first signed.  
    If your subscriber doesn't want to pay for a required service [to you or anyone else] [say inspections] and you are providing another service [say monitoring] you should definitely communicate with the subscriber in writing that the service is required.  You may want to copy the AHJ.  I don't know if you should be notifying the AHJ of every fire alarm potential violation, but you may be required in your jurisdiction to provide some notice if you are already involved with the fire alarm.  I am not suggesting that you walk away from the subscriber who isn't engaging you to provide all on-going services, but cautioning you to be careful.

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TitleAll You Need To Know About Alarm dealer program contracts - getting in and getting out
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