Question:

 

Ken,

When  remotely accessing a Subscriber’s panel to make programming changes how

do we  best protect ourselves since a tech is not at the premise to get a

Service  Agreement signed?

Thanks,

David Coon, President

Covan  Systems

Livermore CA 94551-5148

 

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ANSWER:

 

This is almost a trick question.

Your relationship with your  subscriber is governed by your contracts. Sales

covers the installation and  warranty work. Monitoring covers monitoring and

service of the communication  device or software. Service covers non warranty

service.

 

If you are  remote programming then you must have authority from the

subscriber to do that,  and that authority is found in your contract. My contracts

provide for remote  programming. There is no need to get separate permission or

to worry about a  "service contract."

The point is you should already have a service  contract with your

subscriber, or you shouldn't be doing any  service.

 

I have repeatedly advised that you use service contracts.  Mine provide for

either recurring revenue or a per call relationship. In either  case you would

be protected doing remote programming. The monitoring contract  also provides

for remote programming.

 

If you don't have a contract with a  subscriber, then you have no business

remote programming, and you have no  protection if you make mistakes, or if your

subscriber thinks you made mistakes. 

 

Just to make myself clear, you should not be doing anything for a  subscriber

if you don't have a  contract.

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Comments:

 

Ken

There  have been some cases that have gone to court in the state of Wisconsin

over  remote programming of fire alarm systems. Here are the bases for the

suites.  Some townships require that if any reprogramming is done on the fire

alarm  system that it must be fully tested and that test must be done in the

presents  of the fire dept marshal.

The above actions have been brought by the  townships. Bottom line is in the

contract or not at least for fire alarm systems  DO NOT DO IT

Donald Fugate

Falcon Alarms L.L.C.

Kenosha, WI  53144

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Dear Ken,

Regarding the  Remote-Programming issue: What if you have a Service Contract

with the  Subscriber, on a recurring basis, and your Subscriber makes frequent

code  changes, necessitating regular remote programming – can this be billed 

separately, yet covered by the Service Contract? I believe that it would be 

covered, under Item #10 on your Service Contract.

Many  thanks,

Joe

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Ken,

Just to chime in on  this one. I know that the "golden egg" in this business

is the recurring  revenue. In order to get there, I've seen a few dealers do

things that they  should probably not.

Either intentionally, or sometimes just by not asking  the right questions.

This pursuit, in my honest opinion, is why NJ now has  licensing for alarm

companies.

I agree with the other respondents, in that  this would be a bad customer. I

don't run my business as a "secret" and try to  be open with my customers. You

don't want your customers fiddling with  programming however. Some know

enough to be dangerous, even without the codes,  and we become the ones on the hook

when it all goes bad.

Giving a code may  seem like a small thing, but where does it end in this

industry. I would not  take this guy. The problem with this industry is that

someone else will just for  the "buck", and we all lose.

William

Securitech

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Ken, 

In reference to the comment from FALCON ALARMS and “ Some townships require 

that if any reprogramming is done on the fire alarm system that it must be

fully  tested and that test must be done in the presents of the fire dept marshal.

” 

Technically the testing should be required by all jurisdictions if they 

follow NFPA 72. It is in section 10.4 under “TESTING”. All reacceptance testing 

requirements are explained here.

It does not mention however, the need for a  Fire Marshal or other AHJ to

witness it.

Jim Anderson

Audio Sentry  Corporation

Fraser, MI. 48026

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UL systems may  require technician on-site when system is remotely accessed,

but most non-UL  burg alarms are routinely programmed remotely. Some customers

do require  frequent code changes. Those are good customers. They properly

use the system  and rarely (if ever) cause false alarm or a problem. You may not

like doing the  programming, maybe you should get paid little more for the

monitoring, but keep  in mind that it is better to have your system up to date,

instead of people  giving the same code to other users. When something

happens, the person  disarming the system could be a burglar or fired employee.

Dusan