September 26, 2011
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ECV and use of acronyms
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Hello all,
I'm sure the members of this forum cover the entire spectrum of knowledge from novice to seasoned veteran. With this in mind as well as the large demographics of this audience, not everyone is going to be familiar with all the acronyms we use in this industry. While the post by Ron Walters on ECV is very well written, I haven't a clue what ECV is so, to me, his post is pointless. In my 21 years in the Air Force, where acronyms are rampant, when writing we always spelled out the phrase followed by the acronym is parenthesis. Once spelled out, Electronic Counter Measures (ECM) the acronym was acceptable for the rest of the publication.
If we all followed this practice, this forum would become even more valuable. Especially to those who need it most, like me.
Tony Barlow
Pres/CEO
North Coast Signal Inc.
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Thanks to Ron Walters/ SIAC for an informal update on ECV. Sept 16 Newsletter.
Some of us interpret his comments (and our own experience) to say ECV is a great program in theory, but much less in practice. Because it is designed as a voluntary program for alarm suppliers, and is unenforceable, even when included in alarm ordinances. Hopefully Alarm Associations will stop promoting ECV as the ultimate false alarm solution. Law enforcement has known this weakness for years, which makes the alarm industry look devious.
source:
Lee Jones,
Support Services Group
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3 day notice - cooling off period
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I don't see that Bob mentioned that they did not use the required three day notice, I think he said they installed during the cooling off period. Im not sure how it works in other states but because it's. Federally required practice probably similar. I don't think that it's a violation of any consumer act nor a deceptive practice to install within the three days so long as you provide the required notice. Sure the customer has the right to cancel and you have to remove and refund with no questions asked if they cancel in that period but many people when they buy something want it now, especially if they had a break in. The notice says something to the effect of " return all goods and merchandise within 20 days" so the notice anticipates the delivery was made.
Brett
Chicago
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Hi Ken,
Just for clarification, the three day right to cancel only applies when you contacted the customer selling the installation. If the customer contacts you and requests the installation the three day right to cancel does not apply. Correct?
TB
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Response to DVR Technical Question
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DR,
give me a call! We specialize in quality commercial CCTV solutions and I am sure we can help you out.
Thank you for your business.
Regards,
Mitch Bolnick
BCD Low Voltage Systems
a BDM Security Investors, LLC company
MBolnick@bcdlvs.com
Phoenix, Arizona 85027
Office: (480) 836-7208
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What DR describes about searching for a product to fulfill his need is what we refer to as the trial and error method. Trial and error is perhaps the oldest decision making tool there is and we all use it regularly. When we learn from our mistakes and decide on another course of action, as in turning down the wrong street and then trying another, we have used trial and error. It works where the consequences of a wrong decision are minimal or we are willing to live the cost of the mistake. There are a number of other methods and tools that can be used to help make better qualitative decisions. With more complex decisions and when the cost of a wrong decision is not acceptable, we need to use a better tool to make a decision than trial and error. More sophisticated tools can help us weigh the importance of various product features, the negative effects of potential feature failure and then help us analyze information we gather about the product (or service) so we make better decisions about which to use. These tools are not terribly difficult to use and are not expensive. They do take a little more time than trial and error but compared to how much a wrong trial and error decision may cost, it is often a wise choice. You will also be making decisions based on facts and data rather than thoughts, hearsay and emotion. CT Tree, Cause & Effect Matrix, Pugh Matrix, Failure Modes and Effects Analysis and Quality Functional Deployment are some of the tools you might use or hire someone to help you with. For DVR selection, you may only need a couple of these tools and a few hours of your time. The outcome, however should be a better and less costly decision the first time. Without a systematic approach to a qualitative decision, you may buy from the better sales person rather than buying the best product.
Call me if I can help.
Bob Shoremount
Strandberg Consulting Group
office 908-637-8557
www.StrandbergConsultingGroup.com
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DVRs. The SPECO H series has that capability. Be careful with the motion detection feature. The narrower and more focused the detection spot is will help. If you get too big a detection area, you risk not detecting motion.
The INFONOVIA DVRs are capable of trigger with an alarm and send the info to central stations or in a packet direct to a police car so it can be view almost immediately upon activation of the alarm. This is not a motion detection, but an input from the alarm system itself.
In all cases of DVRs I have used, I am more prone to use GE. I've had hard drive problems with DIGEMERGE and SPECO. SPECO seems to be using a green power western digital hard drive which I have found to have problems with FAT in the machine which it can not recover from even using reformat.
Hope this helps
John
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Ken
First we have to ask if DR is an installing dealer selling a DVR or is he /((She?)) an end user looking to DIY?
As a dealer one has access to a myriad of manufacturers and their tech advice about products.
The UPCOMING ISC in New York on November 2/3 is the perfect forum for a dealer. Also ESX in Nashville this year as well as the ISC in Las Vegas.
Joel Kent FBN
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