KEN KIRSCHENBAUM, ESQ ALARM - SECURITY INDUSTRY LEGAL EMAIL NEWSLETTER / THE ALARM EXCHANGE You can read all of our articles on our website. Having trouble getting our emails? Change your spam controls and white list ken@kirschenbaumesq.com ****************************** Can you include water shut off valve for listed fire sprinkler systems May 1, 2021 ******************* Can you include water shut off valve for listed fire sprinkler systems ******************* Ken, Do you know if these smart water valve shutoffs are listed for use in fire sprinkler systems? My guess is unlikely, but in any case, if one decides to use one on an NFPA 13, 13R, or 13D compliant system, they would want to wire it failsafe so it doesn't inadvertently kill the system's water supply in a fire event. ie; Sprinkler head opens in response to a fire, moisture sensor detects water, valve closes, building burns down, litigation starts.... Please let me know your thoughts, Thanks, Marc Tardif Eastern Fire ********************* Response ********************* I don’t know but the fire alarm and sprinkler experts on here will know. Can some of you experts let us know the answer? Thanks Let me take a stab at it. Keep in mind that commercial fire alarms and commercial fire sprinkler systems are required [in most cases], require plans and specifications to be filed with the AHJ, require AHJ approval for permit and then inspection upon completion. The building code and AHJ will dictate if the shut off valve can be automated. I don’t know if any shut off valve, whether activated remotely by the subscriber, the central station or automatically under certain parameters [I am think of activation of a fire alarm but no subsequent detection of smoke or fire causing the valve to automatically shut the water flow] are listed by any NRTL [nationally recognized testing laboratory]. If approved it’s a device that can be included in the original plans or approved by the AHJ during or after completion of the installation of the sprinkler system. Potential liability that comes to mind is obvious: * Shut off valve fails to function and stop water flow when it should * Shut off valve shuts off water flow when it shouldn’t have Sort of you’re liable if you do or you don’t. One thing I can confidently advice is do not install this device without the contract protection in the Fire Alarm All in One and in the Fire Protection All in One. Both of these Standard Contract Forms have been updated to specifically include the water shut off valve device. Go to the K&K website [www.alarmcontracts.com] to order these [and other Kirschenbaum Contracts ™] or contact K&K’s Contract Administrator Eileen Wagda at 516 747 6700 x 312 or EWagda@KirschenbaumEsq.com to see if you’re entitled to a free or discounted upgrade for an updated contract or for assistance in ordering a contract. ******************* Be sure to use up to date contracts. Get the updated contracts at www.alarmcontracts.com ; call K&K’s Contract Administrator Eileen Wagda at 516 747 6700 x 312 or email her at ewagda@Kirschenbaumesq.com to see if you are entitled to a discount, or to assist with your contract order. ********************** To order up to dateStandard Form Alarm / Security / Fire and related Agreements, click here: www.alarmcontracts.com ************************* CONCIERGE LAWYER SERVICE PROGRAM FOR THE ALARM INDUSTRY You can check out the program and sign up here: https://www.kirschenbaumesq.com/page/concierge or contact our Program Coordinator Stacy Spector, Esq at 516 747 6700 x 304. *********************** NOTICE: You can always read our Articles on our website at ww.kirschenbaumesq.com/page/alarm-articles *********************** THE ALARM EXCHANGE
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